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ww2 german trains color help
napadaanlng
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Posted: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 10:01 PM GMT+7
Has anyone have photographs or sources for german armored trains color scheme other than the dunkelgelb with camo?

I'm looking for a panzer grey paint scheme but not yet so sure as its just hard to determine if color schemes such exist?

As I'm planning to build a lot of Trumpeter's war trains too.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 - 03:27 PM GMT+7
Hello Janned,

Welcome to the site. I look forward to your models.

Unfortunately, I did not find any color photos of German armored trains that were not painted dunkelgelb c. 1943.

Before then, the trains were painted by Deutsche Reichsbahn (DRB) specifications, not Wehrmacht. In fact, when DRB decided to camouflage, it was the Luftwaffe that collaborated with colors, not the Heer.

I believe it is fair to speculate that a dark gray was used. Locomotive classes 42 and 52 were originally finished in "Wehrmachtgrau", officially known as Eisengrau (Iron Gray) RAL 7011. There was also RAL 7021, Schwartzgrau, (Dark Gray), also known as "Panzer Gray".

There are references to "Eisenbahngrau" (Railroad Gray) but I haven't found any RAL references, so I think it was a railroad term for RAL 7011 or 7021. "Eisenbahngrau" could be confused with Eisengrau; this could be the same slang as "box car red" - probably a common red preservative paint (Red ochre—Fe2O3_) used on barns - but renamed by railroaders.

When they started camouflaging the trains, the directive "Munstertarnplan III" was issued. It specified ratios of two greens and a brown, with a very small amount of "sand" - not dunklegelb - over the gray, in about a 1/3 gray to 2/3 other colors pattern.

An author named Wolfgang Sawodny has written at least 3 books: Deutsche Panzerzüge:
https://www.amazon.com/Wolfgang-Sawodny/e/B00J5Y0R0U

I hope this helps.
napadaanlng
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Posted: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 - 04:54 PM GMT+7
thanks for the help i'll look into it thought
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Posted: Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 07:25 PM GMT+7
RAL 7021 was used for all Kriegslokomotiven after 1943 as RAL 7011 was too bright! As far as I remember the AA Reichsbahn and VGL decided so and by early 43 it was adopted. I will check the exact date and reference in my books tonight.
I should also have some coloured armoured train pics.
/Stefan